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More From My Interview With Admiral Sandy Stosz On How You Become a Leader With Moral Courage
During our interview, I asked Admiral Stosz about the difference between a person of character and a leader with moral courage.

Admiral Stosz explains, “A leader of character to me is somebody who can analyze risks, weigh options, and make sound decisions that are good decisions that are the right decisions for the individuals and the organization. And it’s all about decision-making when it comes to leading with character. And the reason there’s some character element to decision making is that it takes moral courage to make a lot of these tough trade-off decisions that will only get to your level if they’re really hard.
So when I was a Vice Admiral in the Coast Guard, there weren’t any easy decisions coming my way. I was getting significant tough trade-off decisions that potentially put the organization at risk. Or that required me to make trade-offs between programs for winners and losers. Understandably, you have sometimes to cut one to fund the other. And nobody wants to make those decisions. Are you going to sit down and look somebody in the eyes and tell them they’re not performing at the level expected? I’m sorry, but I’m not going to recommend you for the next promotion.
People don’t want to say that I had that happen to me once. I was a senior officer. And I had written a performance report on a subordinate who was also pretty senior. And I wrote the first part of the performance report and my supervisor had to sign off the second line. I did all the writing and all the marks in everything that evaluations but somebody else had to review it and sign off on it. And he told me that the person reviewing it couldn’t just soften this up a little bit and make the marks a little higher and make the words a little softer.
And I’m like, respectfully, no, I mean, if I don’t tell it like it is, the promotion board is going to look at this and say, well, Admiral Sandy Stosz thinks this person has got what it takes to move up. And I’m like, that’s not my brand. My brand is where your heart on your sleeve. You tell it as you see it. You’re straightforward. You are fair and firm; everybody knows that. And I’m not going to have a fitness report and evaluation report signed by me that has made things squishy so that the person reading it doesn’t have to feel like they didn’t meet muster.
No, I’m going to sit down and tell that person you’re a great person. But at this level, you’re falling short in these areas, so I’m not going to recommend you for the next level. And there’s nothing personal about that. It’s just all about performance. So you have to be honest with people. And I’m giving that as an example. Because where I see the lack of moral courage and leaders of character, most often, if they don’t make those tough decisions to confront somebody, they walk past these violations as standard to walk past as a standard you accept, right?
You can tell I have passion for this. So that’s a different kind of leader of character, and personal character is can they with courage, make the decisions they have to make that they’re getting paid to make.
Thanks, Admiral Sandy Stosz!
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* Website: https://sandrastosz.com/
* Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sandy.stosz
* Twitter: https://twitter.com/SandraStosz
* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandra-stosz-584a652b/

* My interview with Admiral James Stavridis: https://passionstruck.com/admiral-james-stavridis-to-risk-it-all/
* My interview with Vice Admiral Ted Carter, President of the University of Nebraska: https://passionstruck.com/the-key-to-personal-growth-ted-carter/
* My interview with former NASA astronaut Captain Wendy Lawrence: https://passionstruck.com/how-to-dream-the-dream-you-want/
* My interview with Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, the former Undersecretary of Transportation: https://passionstruck.com/tim-gallaudet-leading-in-turbulent-times/
* My interview with former Navy Seal and NASA Astronaut Captain Chris Cassidy: https://passionstruck.com/vital-importance-in-life-of-being-present/
* My solo episode on why micro choices matter: https://passionstruck.com/why-your-micro-choices-determine-your-life/
* My solo episode on why you must feel to heal: https://passionstruck.com/why-you-must-feel-to-find-emotional-healing/
About Today’s Guest Vice Admiral Sandy Stosz

Admiral Sandy Stosz started out in the US Coast Guard as an ensign serving aboard polar icebreakers, conducting national security missions from the Arctic to the Antarctic. Her forty-year career was filled with leadership lessons gleaned while breaking ice and breaking glass as the first woman to command an icebreaker on the Great Lakes and to lead a US armed forces service academy.
Along the way, Sandy served for 12 years at sea, commanding two ships, and led large Coast Guard organizations during times of crisis and complexity. She finished her career as the first woman assigned as Deputy Commandant for Mission Support, directing one of the Coast Guard’s largest enterprises.
She has lectured widely on leadership and has been featured on CSPAN and other media outlets. In 2012, Newsweek’s “The Daily Beast” named Sandy to their list of 150 Women who Shake the World. She volunteers in leadership roles for several organizations, including serving as a trustee for the Coast Guard Academy Institute for Leadership and as chair of the Coast Guard Academy Sailing Council.
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