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More From My Interview With Jeremy Utley on Why Mastering Ideaflow Elevates Everything Else You Do
During the Passion Struck podcast interview, I asked Jeremy about one of his secrets to creating breakthrough thinking using the example of Carl Liebert the former CEO of Keller Williams.

Jeremy Utley explains, “The truth is creativity and problem solving, more broadly, needs space. Looking at a kind of psychological model of creativity, what typically happens is a four-step model that most folks reference: step one preparation. Step two is incubation. Step Three is illumination. That’s the light bulb moment. Step four is verification. Preparation incubation illumination verification.
My humble submission here is incubation is severely undernourished in today’s always-connected, always-productive, always-efficient environment. And our efficiency orientation often keeps us from being effective. And what Carl does is he blocks off Fridays. And he says, “I am going to carve out Fridays to give myself space to think, to get inspired, and to look at stuff that I find interesting.” And so Fridays, I’ve tried it. I tried to book Friday meetings with him. He’s tied up.
He’s not able to do it. And I know what he’s doing. He’s creating space. I go, Hey, but I’m creative. We can no, no, no, not on Fridays, right?
And having that allowed for a lot of people, one of the most significant inhibitors to their own efficacy in this creative problem-solving and innovation arena is they don’t have time. We’re victims of the calendar. But what creative people do is wield their calendar as a weapon. That’s what Carl’s done, he’s actually wielded it to protect his ability to think broadly. In the early days of Amazon, Jeff Bezos spent, I think it was Mondays and Thursdays, and he didn’t have any standing meetings.
And he would just scroll the internet for hours, and you’d look at his own website, you’d walk the halls of Amazon. But the point is wildly inventive people block time to think it sounds obvious.
Lin Manuel Miranda, the writer of Hamilton, his wife observed, you had your very best idea when we were on vacation. You were laying on a pool float, drinking a margarita. And you came up with this idea of a rap opera based on the life of the founding father of America. She said you know what we need to do. You’ve got to book a weekly vacation, not just our family vacation. Now he said what she does, what they do. They go on a week-long family vacation, and then the family leaves, and he stays there for another week/
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremyutley/
- My solo episode on whether or not free will exists: https://passionstruck.com/does-the-concept-of-free-will-really-exist/
- My interview with Seth Godin on why we need systems to change to save the planet and address climate change: https://passionstruck.com/seth-godin-we-need-systems-change-save-planet/.
- My interview with Dr. Nate Zinsser on How to Create a Confident Mind: https://passionstruck.com/nate-zinsser-create-the-confident-mind/
- My interview with Dr. Katy Milkman on the behavior science behind how we change: https://passionstruck.com/katy-milkman-behavior-change-for-good/
- My solo episode on why micro choices matter: https://passionstruck.com/why-your-micro-choices-determine-your-life/
About Today’s Guest, Dr. Jeremy Utley

As a dynamic and engaging speaker, Jeremy Utley translates his research into the history of invention and discovery into transformative learning experiences.
He co-leads the d.school’s Executive Education programs and co-teaches two celebrated courses at Stanford, Leading Disruptive Innovation (d.leadership) and LaunchPad, which focus on creating real-world impact with the tools of design & innovation.
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