Dolly Chugh (@dolly.chugh) joins me on Passion Struck to discuss the importance of creating A More Just Future. Brought to you by BiOptimizers (Get 10% off at https://magbreakthrough.com/passionstruck) and Inside Tracker (get 20% off the entire InsideTracker store at https://www.insidetracker.com/passionstruck).
Dolly Chugh is a Harvard-educated, award-winning social psychologist at the NYU Stern School of Business, where she is an expert researcher in the psychology of good people. In 2018, she delivered the popular TED Talk “How to let go of being a ‘good’ person and become a better person.” She is the author of A More Just Future and The Person You Mean to Be.
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In This Episode, Dolly Chugh And I Discuss Her Book A More Just Future
In our interview, Dolly provides a frank yet endearing compass for “embracing the paradox” that America was built on the idea that all people are equal. Yet it was founded on slavery. Chugh interweaves lessons on structural racism, the patriot’s dilemma, and settler colonialism. We discuss her study of good people and why we should stop focusing on being a good person so that we can become a better one. We explore the contradictions of US history and how we should learn to view them, connecting the dots between current events and the past.
- Biggest life lessons learned from playing collegiate sports
- Changing how we look at biases 8:47 The science of good people
- Why do the victors, not those suppressed, create how we view history
- The warrior within and the paradoxical mindset
- The patriot’s dilemma
- Dressing for the weather
- The power of paradoxes
- Contradictions of US history and how we should learn to view them
- Connecting the dots between present events and the past
- Why do we downplay the past and overplay the future
- Changing the lens through which we think about history
- The biggest takeaway from A More Just Future
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- And much more…
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More From My Interview With Dolly Chugh On How To Create A More Just Future
During the Passion Struck podcast interview, Dolly and I discuss how to stop the sexism, racism, and inequality that is polarizing the United States.
Dolly Chugh explains, “There are obviously many layers to tackling a problem that big. I focus on the mindset we bring to that work, that we want to move from that good person identity that we discussed earlier. That’s brittle, and it’s either or, and we’re very invested in being a good person. And if someone says yeah, but you know, I don’t think you realize how you treated me wasn’t fair. Well, that can’t be true. Because I’m a good person and we will defend it.
I will go red zone defensive defending my good person identity to a mindset of being a goodish person. This is similar to the work of Carol Dweck and others have done on fixed mindset, which is brittle. I have nowhere to grow or learn to a growth mindset or be what I call good-ish, where I have more to learn. I’m always getting better. I’m able to take in some information or feedback, or it makes me a little defensive, but I can take it in and do better the next time.
That’s the power I think of a growth mindset is that we’re actually better now than we were a year ago, better now than we were ten years ago. That mindset, I think, is going to be core to all the work we want to do fighting racism and sexism in ourselves and around us because it allows us to be constantly learning and growing and getting better. Without that, I don’t think anything else works because we just are going to constantly want to defend the way things are rather than make them better.”
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Resources From The Show With Dolly Chugh
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- Purchase Dolly’s first book The Person You Mean to Be: How Good People Fight Bias (HarperCollins, 2018)
- Website: https://www.dollychugh.com/
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dolly.chugh/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/DollyChugh
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dolly-chugh-07ab506/
- My solo episode on whether or not free will exists: https://passionstruck.com/does-the-concept-of-free-will-really-exist/
- My interview with Seth Godin on why we need systems to change to save the planet and address climate change: https://passionstruck.com/seth-godin-we-need-systems-change-save-planet/.
- My interview with Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman and Dr. Jordan Feingold on Choosing Growth and transcending self-doubt, fear, and anxiety: https://passionstruck.com/jordyn-feingold-scott-barry-kaufman-chose-growth/
- My interview with Dr. Katy Milkman on the behavior science behind how we change: https://passionstruck.com/katy-milkman-behavior-change-for-good/
- My solo episode on why micro choices matter: https://passionstruck.com/why-your-micro-choices-determine-your-life/
About Today’s Guest, Dolly Chugh
Dolly Chugh (she/her, hear my name) is a social psychologist and management professor at the New York University Stern School of Business, where she teaches MBA courses in leadership and management. Dolly is well-known for her teaching and facilitation skills. She was one of six professors chosen from thousands at New York University to receive the Distinguished Teaching Award in 2020 and one of five to receive the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Faculty Award in 2013.
Dolly’s TED Talk was named one of the 25 Most Popular TED Talks of 2018 and currently has almost 5 million views. Before becoming an academic, Dolly worked at Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Sibson and Company, Scholastic, and Time Inc. Dolly attended Cornell University, where she majored in psychology and economics for her undergraduate degree, and Harvard University for her MBA and PhD.
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